[[http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=200602191223.08676.cannam%40all-day-breakfast.com|Mail archive link]] - [[http://lalists.stanford.edu/lad/2006/02/0119.html|See also]] - "Having visions is easy" On Sunday 19 Feb 2006 00:38, Luis Garrido wrote: > So what is your vision, then? I'm not sure I have a "vision", or at least not one that I understand how to realise, which is probably why it isn't very well expressed in Rosegarden. Traditional notation is a very useful thing in music learning, in exchanging and publishing certain sorts of music in certain ways, and in musicological contexts. MIDI and the like are very useful not just for producing a finished piece of work (in some ways MIDI is rather limiting for that) but for experimentation and "rough drafting". What I want is to be able to start in either one of those areas and incorporate the other, either to start with an existing score and explore performance possibilities for it, or to start with a performance and try to work out what makes it what it is. In other words, I'm not directly all that interested in either making studio software or published scores. I'm interested in looking at and editing music in symbolic terms for educational and exploratory purposes. I would like to be able to see, study, and manipulate the performance of a score, not just have it played to me, I would like to be able to hear other people's interpretations while studying the same score, I would like to be able to use linear track-style and other block or structural editing operations to edit a score structure, and I would like to be able to derive likely scores from performances and experiments. I hope all this manages to sound at the same time sufficiently vague, high-concept, and bleeding obvious. > Is there any commercial software you think succeeds in this? Sibelius is in fact the closest thing I know of, not so much because of its good score layout as because of its parts management and the integration of reasonable (if not brilliant) tempo tracking, synth plugins, and the like. > It is all about choices. When mscore is usable and linuxsampler can > play Kontakt libraries I will be able to kick Windows out of my > computer for good. Well, there is that practical viewpoint. As a user, there is always a time (or many) when what you really want is a direct alternative to an existing program, whether for a different platform, for a lower cost, in an open-source environment or whatever. As a developer, it offends me to imitate proprietary software directly. Rosegarden is a deliberately conservative program that does an awful lot of borrowing from the general classes of track-based sequencers and notation software, but it isn't a knock-off of any single program. Where we've looked at the alternatives, we've done it with a view to trying to come up with something better, or something that fits more with some conceived model for the rest of the program. Even when we've only succeeded in producing something worse, less reliable, more confusing and harder to use, at least we've usually made the honest effort to investigate and understand what we're trying to make. Indeed even if the end result then turned out to be almost indistinguishable from another program, we would still have made it with some integrity. But to set out deliberately to produce and distribute an exact replacement for an existing proprietary program, unless there is a really strong necessity, is not a righteous thing to do. To replace Sibelius with a better program for Linux would be good work. To attempt to clone Sibelius for Linux is a wrong to the creators of Sibelius and offensive to the creative spirit in the programmers doing the work. To do so while claiming that the clone is superior software because it has "open source ethics" is doubly wrong. It would be better to have no program that worked as well, than to have our best program in the field be a cheap duplicate. Chris